# Lehre und Wehre_St. Louis Missouri_November 1859_S334
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334 The Buffalonians Once More on Our Catechism.

they smuggled the passage 1 Cor. 3:21 into the wrong place; but a pure Buffalo teacher such as Dietrich took good care not to cite this passage as proof that the Church has the office and therefore, of course, also the right to call to the office!" But even if Mr. H. himself should sacrifice all the other pure teachers to establish his claim, his case remains lost all the same; for Dietrich himself belongs among those who cite the passage we adduced in the very same manner, connection, and application! Our C. Dietrich, namely, composed a Latin analysis of the Gospels for the apostles' days in the year 1616; in it, on the Gospel for St. Andrew's Day, in answer to the question, "With whom lies the right to call church ministers — with the church at large, the whole Church, or with some one estate of it in particular?" it is answered: "It belongs to the whole Church: 1) because the whole ministry is given to the Church"; and this latter point is then expressly grounded, among other things, in the words: "All things are yours, whether Paul or Apollos, etc., 1 Cor. 3:21. But what belongs to the Church in common, and what concerns all her estates, is with sacrilegious presumption ascribed to some one single estate of her in particular." Finally C. Dietrich further writes: "From what has been said it is clear, 1) that the papists hardly err when they ascribe the prerogative of calling church ministers, with unwarranted presumption, to the bishops alone, and maintain (as the Tridentine Council says) that in the ordination of bishops, priests, and the other clerical estates, the consent, calling, or authority neither of the people nor of any secular power or magistracy is so required that without it the ordination would be invalid; indeed, they say freely and publicly that even those who are elected and ordained by the people or the magistracy alone are not ministers of the Church but thieves and robbers!"*)

Let the reader judge for himself, after this, what to make of it when Mr. Hochstetter writes: "This well-known Missourian catchword" (he means the word of God: All things are yours, 1 Cor. 3:21) "could of course not be missing from a Waltherian catechism; but it is bad for Mr. Walther

*) The words cited read in the Latin as follows: "It is asked, with whom lies the right of calling ministers of the church? With the church universal or as a whole, or rather concerning some one order of the same in particular? It belongs to the whole church; because 1) the whole ministry is given to the church. 'All things are yours, whether Paul or Apollos,' etc., 1 Cor. 3:21. But what belongs to the church in common, and concerns all her orders, is with sacrilegious rashness ascribed to some one particular order of the same. It is established from what has been said, 1) that the papists gravely err, in that they arrogate the jurisdiction of calling ministers of the church to the bishops alone, and — these are the words of the Council of Trent — declare that in the ordination of bishops, priests, and the other orders, neither the consent of the people, nor of any secular power and magistracy, nor their calling or authority, is so required that without it the ordination would be void; indeed they proclaim that even those elected and ordained by the people or the magistracy alone are not ministers of the church, but thieves and robbers." (Analysis Evangeliorum, etc., Giessen, 1617, p. 38 and following.)