# Lehre und Wehre_St. Louis Missouri_Juni 1861_S169 # AI translation — CHI Digital Archive (demonstration) On the Question of the Ministry and Its Consequences. 169 naturally without the latter's defects ... According to this doctrine the millennial men receive their comfort from the beholding and visible descent of the Christ glorified before their eyes, not from beholding his cross and his wounds, nor through word and sacrament. What conclusion lies nearer than this: therefore Christ's suffering and dying have only a temporal meaning? .. Christ in the clouds does away with Christ the crucified, and with him certainly ... the whole doctrine of justification. There we should be standing in the midst of rationalism again ... And in what sense will faith still be able to be spoken of there? Surely only in a very outward one. Is not faith a sure confidence of that which one hopes, and doubts not of that which one does not see? And does not faith come from preaching? But here the millennial Christianity comes from the sight of miracles. That is no longer faith according to the Scriptures. What, then, is the finest assurance to comfort us with, that in this millennium the doctrine of justification will still hold good? No — if this millennium has truth and reality, then the whole Reformation and all its doctrine have come to nothing. It is out of despair of that Reformation that this whole view of the people and of the Scriptures first grew up ... As a proof of the close connection between the pietistic-fanatical character of chiliasm and the Romanizing spirit of church government in neo-Lutheranism .. nationality .. is of high importance ... Formerly Paul declared: in Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek nor Scythian; but now men teach ... that nationality, state, law and the like ... are being prepared and ripened for eternal glory. („„Nationality as such is redeemed and preserved for eternity; Christianity cannot be consummated otherwise; the church in its perfection is a great world-state; therefore it is even now essentially in outward institutions, within Christian states, and it cannot be otherwise; the historical church is the true church of Christ, and everywhere, therefore, alongside the order of salvation stands the church order as equally divine and holy.““) With this it also agrees that in many places men now praise as churchly what Luther condemned as soul-destroying routine and idolatry — namely churchgoing for its own sake, even to false teachers *), and everything bound up with such a dead church system ... For this reason the law counts for so much in the church — not the ten commandments (for that, rightly understood, would be a fine thing), but church statute and what is now called church government, from which Luther, in his own view, had at least freed us in conscience .. We hold that chiliasm is the child of Pharisaism, and if we take it in we have death from it, and the last little flame on the hearth goes out ... Pastor Ehlers .. desires an open declaration whether we .. could hold sacramental fellowship with chiliasts or not ... We concede to chiliasm no right in the *) Men would also have those acknowledged as praiseworthy preachers who unfurl on their banner the words "God, virtue and immortality."