# Lehre und Wehre_St. Louis Missouri_M rz 1858_S89 # AI translation — CHI Digital Archive (demonstration) On Lay Elders or Congregation Presidents. 89 sung, so that the choir and the congregation always answered in unison, whereupon the people conducted themselves very diligently and devoutly; and after the service in the church was everywhere concluded, the Senatores Senatus ecclesiastici went home with me to the parsonage. Whatever (public?) sin, failing, and evil fault each one knew of that had occurred, each reported according to his conscience. Those who were reported had the sexton sent to them, so that they had to appear, and were then admonished by the Senatus ecclesiasticus to desist from their offensive life, with the threat that, should they not amend themselves, they would be denounced and made public before the whole Christian congregation. And by this admonition such discipline and fear was brought into the people that the erring amended themselves, and, praise and thanks be to God, there was never any need of a public denunciation or of the ban." (Cited in: "J. Jacobi's Versäumte Buße," p. 153.) Löscher likewise says, in a review of Greher's biography: "Above all, what is reported of a church senate made up of preachers and distinguished hearers is worth reading." (Unschuldige Nachrichten, vol. 1709, p. 807.) A similar arrangement seems also to have existed in Braunschweig in Chemnitz's time. For when M. Bergius there, in the year 1581, having two years before subscribed to the Formula of Concord, revoked this subscription and accused that confession of many errors, the following procedure was undertaken, according to Chemnitz's report: "Because it was found that the matter would fall into troublesome prolixity, one had to resort to the means that, according to our church order, had been used several times before in like cases, and so on the 2nd of August there came together a whole honorable church council, secondly those appointed by the congregation for such matters, and tertio the whole ministerium." In what follows Chemnitz writes that he explained to Magister Bergius, in the colloquy before those named, that he should "bring forward his opinion most freely and defend it as best he could"; they for their part wished to set against it, with equal freedom, whatever was owed for the sake of office and conscience — not now only privately, but also afterward publicly before the whole church, should need require it, and thereafter to let his and their support, and then the whole church, judge the matter." Although Bergius allowed himself to be persuaded, still the whole affair was in the end communicated to the entire congregation from the pulpit, and the congregation was asked to forgive the teacher who had fallen into error (who had already entered into correspondence with Beza and other Calvinists). See Unschuldige Nachrichten, vol. 1728, p. 216 ff.) (Conclusion follows.)