# Lehre und Wehre_St. Louis Missouri_M rz 1858_S88 # AI translation — CHI Digital Archive (demonstration) 88 On Lay Elders or Congregation Presidents. published. (See Luther's Works, Halle edition, vol. 10, p. 1148 ff.; Erlangen edition, vol. 22, p. 105 ff.) This congregation board consisted of 10 persons: 2 from the nobility, 2 from the council, 3 from the citizenry, and 3 from the peasants (since several villages belonged to the town parish as well); this board had, to be sure, chiefly to do with the administration of the congregation's property, building matters, and the pastor's salary, yet, besides other matters more concerned with the inner governance of the congregation, even the power to call and remove the teachers in the schools was given over to it, "according to the counsel and good judgment of the elected pastor and a preacher and other scholars of divine Scripture." The meetings of this board took place every Sunday at the parsonage, in connection with the congregational assemblies held three times during the year, to which the presbytery was answerable in everything, and which, in the calling and removal of preachers, wished to exercise their "Christian liberty in no other way than to act, practice, and use it according to the setting forth and ordinance of divine, biblical Scripture." Another remarkable example of a presbytery in which laymen were assessors, within the Lutheran church, is found in "Daniel Greher's History and Description of His Life. Dresden, 1587." This Greher was born in 1504 at Weilburg in the county of Nassau-Saarbrück, became a Roman priest, but came to the knowledge of the truth, thereupon became pastor at Gießen, and finally, on account of his widely known learning, godliness, and zeal for the pure doctrine, was called by Duke Moritz of Saxony to Dresden to administer the superintendency there. Greher administered this office not only with great zeal and blessing, but also worked, especially at many church conventions, for the church as a whole with blessed success, and finally died at an advanced age in the year 1591. He also stood in such high honor with Elector August that the latter chose him as godfather at the baptism of one of his princes in the year 1569, and thereafter always addressed him, both by word and in writing, as nothing other than "Herr Gevatter" (my good godfather). Nicolaus Selnecker was his son-in-law. This Greher writes in his aforementioned autobiography: "Since I was pastor at Gießen, I helped devise, at Ziegenheim, a Formam Excommunicationis and how to set up a church council, etc. By order of Landgrave Philipp of Hesse I set up the Senatum ecclesiasticum according to this order, and had the whole Christian congregation choose the Senatum per suffragia (by vote), and so 8 persons — old, honest, godly, and valiant men — were chosen, who according to their conscience were to attend to this office with earnestness and diligence, which they then promised faithfully to do. I thereupon came to an agreement with the church council that we would come together at the parsonage every 4 weeks, on a certain day, which was called the day of prayer; and on this day of prayer the litany was, in the church, before the altar, itself