# LCMS Convention Proceedings_St. Louis Missouri_1872_S89 # AI translation — CHI Digital Archive (demonstration) — 89 — with teachers, above all else, discipline must be practiced. Where does the sorry condition of the Lutheran state churches of Germany come from? On the one hand from satiety with regard to the beloved word of God, and on the other from the lack of all discipline. Christ wants discipline to be kept. The church is not to be a lecture hall, where the preacher lectures and then goes his own way, unconcerned about his hearers and their conduct toward God's word. The congregation is not to address the preacher and assign him his position in these terms: Preach, but otherwise stay as far away from us as possible; you are to concern yourself with nothing about our lives. When our Germans come to America and hear talk there of church discipline and excommunication, they think, of course, that this is priestly tyranny or some peculiar sectarianism. But it is the clear command of God: "Put away from among yourselves that wicked person"; and further: "If you see your brother sinning, go to him and correct him." If we exercise no discipline, we surrender the church. Only, it must be exercised in an evangelical spirit, not legalistically. The three stages of admonition must not be run through one after another the way an auctioneer lets his hammer fall. Where there is a heartless, loveless manner, God is not present in it. Our aim in exercising discipline and admonition should always be to save souls. Public church discipline is not possible, however, unless brotherly private correction is practiced; without this, the former necessarily falls into the well. This reminds us of a great harm in our congregations: backbiting. This is terribly common, yet people shrink from telling a brother or a sister their fault to their face. I will not play the fool, people say, and make enemies for myself. Saddest of all is when the preacher himself thinks this way. People, of course, do not want to hear the truth for their salvation; indeed, they would rather be lied to and deceived; but in eternity, when it is too late, they will then say: You disgraceful priests, why did you not tell us what was sinful in us? Why did you not admonish and correct us? — This too the delegates should take careful note of, in turn, and bring back to their congregations. With this, the discussion of the theses was then broken off, on account of so much other business urgently in need of being dealt with. —