# LCMS Convention Proceedings_St. Louis Missouri_2004_S41
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MINUTES OF THE CONVENTION
corrections were made or noted by the Secretary prior to
their approval:
• Page 413, line 28: the name of William Weber should be
moved from the list of those registering positive votes for
Res. 8-01A to the list of those registering negative votes.
• Page 415, line 43: the results of the second ballot for ordained ministers for the Board for District and Congregational Services should include 463 votes received by
Mark Nuckols.
• Page 417, line 40: it should be indicated by underscore
that Nancy Drews, upon receiving 592 first ballot votes,
was elected to the Board for University Education.
• Page 422, lines 40 and 42: the second ballot tally for Jack
Baumgarn should read 585 votes rather than 603, and
his name and second ballot vote should not be underscored to indicate election; and the second ballot tally for
John H. Kieschnick should read 603 votes rather than
585, and his name and second ballot vote should be underscored to indicate his election as an ordained minister
member of the Board of Regents of Concordia Theological Seminary, Fort Wayne.
• Page 422, lines 45 and 49: the second ballot tally for
William Crofford should read 534 votes and not 618, and
his name and second ballot vote should not be underscored
to indicate election; and the second ballot tally for Clifford
Meints should read 618 votes and not 534, and his name
and second ballot vote should be underscored to indicate his
election as a layperson member of the Board of Regents of
Concordia Theological Seminary, Fort Wayne.
The Secretary noted that these errors will be corrected
in the final publication of the minutes in the Convention
Proceedings.
Committee 3: Theology and Church Relations
Res. 3-08A, “To Affirm the Conclusions of the 1994
CTCR Report: The Service of Women in Congregational and
Synodical Offices” (TB, pp. 243−244), was introduced by the
committee with minor changes: correct the word “apply” (p.
243, line 33) to read “imply” in the sixth whereas; add the
words “office of ” before “public ministry” on line 36 of the
sixth whereas; correct the quotation marks in the same
sixth whereas to properly designate quoted sections; and
correct the spelling in the fourth whereas (p. 244, line 6) to
read “complement.” A substitute resolution, the text of Ov.
3-97 (CW, p. 194), was introduced but failed to be accepted
for consideration under the Behnken Rule (Standing Rule
14) [Y: 482; N: 587]. Discussion continued on Res. 3-08A
until the question was called by the chair under the 20minute rule. Debate was not ended [Y: 709; N: 385] and discussion continued. A motion to end debate again failed [Y:
713; N: 358] falling one vote short of the necessary twothirds majority. An amendment was offered to strike all
words in the second resolve after the word “church” (p. 244,
line 1) and replace them with the words “except congregation elders, congregation presidents, and communion assistants.” The chair ruled that this constituted a substitute
motion, and the motion failed under the Behnken Rule [Y:
472; N: 605]. Upon the next occasion for the automatic call-

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ing of the question, debate was ended [Y: 745; N: 336]. Prior
to the vote on the main motion, a request was made and
granted that the following response offered by the Executive Director of the Commission on Theology and Church
Relations be recorded in the minutes: “According to these
guidelines, this resolution does not give permission to
women to preach in our Synod’s congregations.” The resolution as presented by the committee was then adopted [Y:
576; N: 520]. A motion to allow delegates to record their
negative votes also carried [Y: 639; N: 348].
The following voting delegates asked to have their negative votes recorded: David Brezina, Robert Pase, Alan Taylor, Timothy Miille, Robert Oebermann, LeRoy B. Sundbom, Bill Helgemo, Jon P. Meyer, James Burhop, Erik
Rottmann, Michael K. Johnson, Michael Mathews, Jody R.
Walter, Walter Otten, Vance Becker, Victor Turner, Paul
J. Cain, Anthony C. Seckel, David R. Mueller, Donald V.
Engelbretson, Robert C. Zick, Roger Winkelmann, Loyd E.
Harris, Walter Lehenbauer, Ken Schurb, Stephen M.
Heuser, David Sampson, Duane Ploeger, Charles Born,
Paul C. Hunsicker, Sr., Kevin Clausen, David W. Ellis,
David Thompson, David Weiss, Lindsay Watkins, Glenn
Denke, Elizabeth Meckler, John Rahe, Myron G. Buss, Norbert Stigge, Russell D. Reimers, Thomas J. Egger, Merle F.
Mahnken, Richard Anderegg, Walt Patterson, James K.
Heap, Franklin Boettcher, Frederick Kutter, Robert L.
Hagan, Kathy Ruiz, James A. Barbey, Peter Hoft, Alan J.
Wollenburg, Kent A. Umbarger, Stephen Rynearson, John
O. Grein, Kenneth E. Larson, Gene Scheiter, Kevin Fenster, Gerald A. Schwanke, Terry Kensell, Thomas I.
Krueger, Raymond E. Larson, Sr., Wade Weis, Stan Lemon,
Lorraine Koenigstein, Don R. Stuckwisch, Jr., Vernon
Stelling, Karl Weber, John Fiene, Ralph Wehmeyer, Bruce
Hoffmann, Duane A. Jalas, Bradley W. Ketcham, Leo
Zupin, Kurt A. Van Fossan, Kenneth R. Castor, Mary Sue
DePuy, John Stueve, Daniel M. Pfaffe, Kevin Fry, Jason L.
Mandley, Theodore Martin, Ralph Benning, Scott Stiegemeyer, Daniel Ognoskie, Melvin R. Rahe, Gary W. Tillmann, Richard Buech, Steve Elsea, James Elmshauser,
Ron Ohnesorge, Monica Shannon, Ken Breinig, Bert H.
Eickhoff, Jeff L. Hemingway, Kathi Budke, Ronald F.
Schroeder, Kevin A. Hahn, Norlyn Bartens, Larry Lewis,
Rodney D. Fritz, James W. Page, William Stottlemyer,
Mark J. Maas, John Wittenmyer, Larry Brakenhoff, Todd
R. Jerabek, Leonard Marquardt, Ken Anderson, Bradley
Heinecke, Dale Ortloff, Mark Nebel, Larry LaDassor, Mark
A. Miller, Karl Bollhagen, Robert W. Wagner, Russell Reck,
Mark R. Eddy, Kevin D. Robson, Christopher Hall, Robert
Banker, Michael Tennyson, Jeff Gross, Richard S. Cody,
David A. Mommens, Dennis Theiss, Dale D. Gust, Ronald
C. Simmons, Phillip Grovenstein, Tim McNeil, David M.
Juhl, Michael Schleider, Scott A. Kozisek, Matthew A.
Payne, Glenn Staudinger, Ronald C. Paseur, Chris A. Clubine, David M. Menet, Phill Andreasen, Trent Saari,
Michael J. Janke, Mark Niendorf, Stephen Westrick,
Jerome Leckband, Matthew J. Graminske, Crystal J.
Buehler, Mark W. Mumme, Curt Gierhan, Ronald Kabitzke, Gregg Hein, Randall L. Muench, William Weber,
Drew A. Newman, Steven P. Ruhlig, Roger R. Fischer, John
Reynolds, Philip Houser, James Anthony, Scott Kubly, Edward A. Sikora, Frank G. Frye, Alan R. Stahlecker, Michael
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